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crythias

Date: 4/14/2006 10:55 pm · Subject: Discuss: How would you want a wiki implemented in WebGUI? · Rating: 25

I get off-list requests regarding my experience with wiki and WebGUI.

What would be something that could work within WebGUI? I remember that it could be a CS-ish thing. New pages could be like new threads or posts. Alternative is that wiki markup is provided as a different UI to TinyMCE. Or that wikis make new articles.

I'm sure higher brains than me have thoughts on this.
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crythias

Date: 4/15/2006 3:19 pm · Subject: Re: Discuss: How would you want a wiki implemented in WebGUI? · Rating: 19

Just so I can reference it later ... http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/ModPerlUnix
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ntisithoj

Date: 4/29/2006 6:37 pm · Subject: Re: Discuss: How would you want a wiki implemented in WebGUI? · Rating: 9

couldn't you just use the editor to write wiki pages, and then use something like text_wiki to turn that into a standard WebGUI article? This would requite a wiki asset, which is the same as anarticle, but with an extra property that holds the wiki text, and one thart holds the final html output (which is created on 'save')
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Correcting... something like http://benjamin-schweizer.de/wiked/ (text_wiki is php)

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crythias

Date: 4/29/2006 7:54 pm · Subject: Re: Discuss: How would you want a wiki implemented in WebGUI? · Rating: 8

The thing with articles... should average user be able to create articles? maybe within a folder structure (WikiWeb equivalent)? Here and no farther up the tree?

should the edit screen be more article-esque or should it be wiki-esque?

Frankly, I see that WikiWords[?] could be implemented if WikiMode is turned on.... it seems to me to be only a slight modification to Article, but the overhead to generate the wiki asset might be nasty. Well, maybe not. If there is already Macro parsing on the text in an asset, checking if the WikiWord is linked... Ick. It better be fast. But once a WikiWord is linked, it should be an anchor tag embedded in the data, so the WikiWord shouldn't be checked for linkedness?

My main thought is just to make certain there isn't tons of overhead to check if WikiWords are linked and/or linked properly.

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ntisithoj

Date: 4/30/2006 2:33 am · Subject: Re: Discuss: How would you want a wiki implemented in WebGUI? · Rating: 4

Actually, I was not thinking about WikiWords at all (I don;t use Wiki's much), so there may be overhead, but if the article was generated at submit time (vs at delivery time), then the overhead is only once per edit and not every delivery.

I totally agree with the simpler UI. uiLevel==0 or 1 should never show the edit screen to the user, but rather show only the minimum fields in a pop-up/ajax-ish window.

I have implemented something like this where I show users icons on their page which adds assets to the page and only askes them a few questions and defaults everything else. Much cleaner and simpler for most end users.

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crythias

Date: 4/30/2006 12:07 pm · Subject: Re: Discuss: How would you want a wiki implemented in WebGUI? · Rating: 2

The problem with rendering on save is that the WikiWord links could be ?? generated without clicking on the [?] unless that is the only way links could be generated, but the search and replace would need to be done at least one time once the WikiWord is activated
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greghacke

Date: 4/30/2006 12:46 pm · Subject: Re: Discuss: How would you want a wiki implemented in WebGUI? · Rating: 3

I think you'd actually be running WikiWord on any new submission or update to the system. Each article submitted/edited would need to be run against the other articles to develop the linkage neccessary.
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crythias

Date: 5/1/2006 9:52 pm · Subject: Re: Discuss: How would you want a wiki implemented in WebGUI? · Rating: 8

Yes, but how often and when? the overhead involved in checking WikiWords for real links seems daunting.

I guess you'd only update the WikiLinks when the WikiWord is activated? but only on wiki-assets. Would probably be per-wiki, as well?
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greghacke

Date: 5/2/2006 9:46 am · Subject: Re: Discuss: How would you want a wiki implemented in WebGUI? · Rating: 1

The overhead is definately daunting but rather than run it on edit, update, etc. you'd run it once a day per-wiki and you'd have to decide if you want to create cross-wiki referential links, etc.

Would definately be fun and create a user tool people would like or at least be a bit more familiar with (even for those of us who aren't huge fans...)

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